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RE: GAL 356 - Wombat - 02-01-2010
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If he hasn't got one i can send you one outa my kit,i've used kit part's for those pieces.
On that note,this is how it'll all look with the engines now lowered to allow the Leopold barrel to fit above.
Everything back from the barrels is glued so there can only be adjustment with the barrels and Harrier part's really.Those barrels also need cutting back to length btw.
So tonight was about getting everything back on the shuttle that either fell off when i cracked it with the wood,which btw was only one part,but i manged to dislodge plenty with all the handling getting the engines back on.Anyway,thats all good again so tomorrow night or later tonight i should say now will be working on getting the other side looking like this side.I'm still not that sure on it all but least everything is fitting now.
Can anyone see any obvious problems how i've layed all this out?
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RE: GAL 356 - 79 Daytona - 02-02-2010
Hey Phil, That would be great if you could send one of those parts i really would owe you one.
As for the engine section it looks great the only thing i see is what you said about the lower barrel and i maybe wrong but when i did mind i was looking at mike's build thread and it look like to me that the lower barrel runs up through the i guess what you call the smoke stack looking part a little higher so i did'nt have to trim my at all.
I'll go back and look again i could be wrong.
Well Phil i just looked at the ref. pic's and i really can't tell because all the part that are there and i went back and looked at Mike's build thread and it does look like he ran the lower barrel a little higher through the smoke stack looking part. but to be honest i don't think it matters that much even if you trim the lower barrel and then add the other parts your not really going to see any big differencs on how it looks compaired to the SS model. Hell i know mind's not 100% to the SS model.
RE: GAL 356 - Wombat - 02-02-2010
Hey thats no problems on that part,just to make sure i'm correct on what part you are talking about i've included this picture pointing out the part in question.If it is this part PM me your addy dude and i'll get it away this week.
Now for the barrels,these aren't set but a rough idea of how i see thing's in the b&w picture.Looking at that picture,the section where the barrel steps down to the smaller diameter appears to be around the bottom of the ammo boxes,or in the shuttles case i guess they are meant to be radiators?
I'll try and get some more done tonight,but this build has been killing me just lately.Last night it was 1am before i got to bed and lately it's only been 4-5 hrs sleep a night.It's all starting to run me down just a bit,but hopefully the dramas are all past now and things will go a bit smoother for the rest of the build?
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RE: GAL 356 - 79 Daytona - 02-03-2010
Hey Phil that the T part iam missing right next to the AA part and that was the barrel i was talking about and you know i when back for a second look at the B/W pic's and the pic. you posted of your engine section and i think your right on the money with the placement of your parts or pretty damn close.LOL
And something else i found out i did do a small screw up on mind you know how your engines were a little high well mind are just a little bit low nothing bad and i can live with it and that explains why i had to do some small mods to some of the small parts to get to fit in the right spot. Owell that's what happens sometimes and besides who else but us guys are going to know about it so DON'T TELL ANYBODY.
LOLOyeah PM sent.
RE: GAL 356 - Wombat - 02-03-2010
Don't worry Mark,i don't think any of us will get it exact,and infact no one really can as these shuttles are not the same as the old buckled original girl.The only thing that really matters is you are happy with your own build,the same as i just need to be happy with mine.Unfortunately i'm so bloody anal about builds these day's.It actually sorta sucks as the just go for it builds are a lot more fun,not to mention easier and quicker.In all honesty i'll never be 100% happy with any of my builds,all of them will and do have things that could be betta!
So with this build nothing has changed.There are things that could be a lot betta but i hope when the paint and weathering are done it still looks like what we all know?
Well tonight i did a little more,i'm slowly chipping away at this thing.
Everything is now glued down on the rear end of the starboard side.Not saying it correct but it all fit's and bar the dodgy gluing again it has turned out sorta OK,i think?That top barrel i couldn't get to work like in the b&w picture.Cutting the angled end how i think i'm seeing it has to much of the larger diameter barrel section sticking outa the harrier part.But it was either this or leave it longer on te other end,so i went this way.
Tomorrow night i'll try and get the port side looking the same,then there are a few more parts forward on each side to do,then it's the top.That i do hope i can get right the first time,so far my track record on this one is pretty bad!
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RE: GAL 356 - Tordoc - 02-03-2010
So the, what is your advise? Should the engines be glued on first before all the greeblies around it? Is there an exact way to measure it's proper location. It seems like this build is just a lot of guess work and trial and error. I'm afraid,.... very afraid. It's in my nature to glue things on and then later find out I f'ed it up.
BTW, does anyone have a part list so I can make sure I have everything? I always like to know if I need to get replacements early in a build so that it doesn't slow down my momentum. There are just sooo many parts.
RE: GAL 356 - dbhs - 02-04-2010
The parts maps here http://www.resinilluminati.com/showthread.php?t=8439 are a good reference for a parts list. I used this as checklist. There's a couple of parts that are not on the maps and a couple of known missing parts. Check post #88 in this thread for this.
RE: GAL 356 - Coffee Addict - 02-04-2010
Beautiful build so far. I have never attempted a build this complicated. It seemed too overwhelming to me.
Roy
RE: GAL 356 - 79 Daytona - 02-04-2010
That looks GREAT Phil!!!!
I think you really nailed it!! I should have took a closer look at the ref. pic's when doing my engine section but iam still very happy the way mind is coming out.Well Tordoc the only advise i could give you is to do what i should have done which is to take your time and look at the ref. pic's and try to lay out the major engine section parts to where there go on the kit before glueing anything.
RE: GAL 356 - Wombat - 02-04-2010
(02-03-2010, 11:32 PM)Tordoc Wrote: So the, what is your advise? Should the engines be glued on first before all the greeblies around it? Is there an exact way to measure it's proper location. It seems like this build is just a lot of guess work and trial and error. I'm afraid,.... very afraid. It's in my nature to glue things on and then later find out I f'ed it up.
BTW, does anyone have a part list so I can make sure I have everything? I always like to know if I need to get replacements early in a build so that it doesn't slow down my momentum. There are just sooo many parts.
Tordoc,as Mark said,look at the reference than lay out the main part's before gluing anything down.You need to be able to get that top barrel to fit and the the AA Morser part to sit about right.If you get these two parts to fit OK then you should be OK for the engine height to be marked out.I made the mistake of getting the parts above the engine to sit about right and also the AA part below,but the top barrel just wouldn't fit.So thats why i think if those two parts are probably the critical ones to get right for the engine placements.Once you've got that still check some of the other part for placement befor egluing those engines down.It's a lot easier to get right the first time than have to rework it all again like i bloody did.
But understand,these kit's will not be exactly the same as the pictures you see of the original or one of the casted copies that we also use for reference.Thats because the kit has been made symmetrical by Sean,which the original model wasn't.So it's just not possible to get everything exact.Get it as close as you can and enjoy the build!The part's maps for this are also posted here at SSM as well as over at RI for seeing whats what.
Roy,cheers dude!
I think even though you may think it's a lil overwhelming right now,you'd find it not that bad once you got stuck into it.Just don't follow anything i've done.You've probably seen i've made a shit load of fuck up's with this build,just as i do with all my damn build's!But this kit is really a great kit thats been made!
Mark,thats all that matters dude!
I wouldn't be too fussed if things are out a smidgen,there is no way of having it exact anyway bud.This is one of those builds that as long as it looks the part we all should be happy with what we build i think?
RE: GAL 356 - Tordoc - 02-04-2010
Thanks for all the advice. This is going to be fun!! I'll take my time.
RE: GAL 356 - 79 Daytona - 02-06-2010
Hey Phil. PM sent but just in case it did go through again i just need one.
RE: GAL 356 - Wombat - 02-06-2010
No problemo Mark!
Ok,heres what little more i've managed to get done on the build.I think i'm at a point where i can start adding the stuff to the top of it now.The sides are pretty much done,just a couple of E Boat part's ,the Panther hatches and some more of that piping that'll run down from the top deck.I also adjusted some part's on the underside after it was pointed out a couple i had position wrong and a couple i moved after looking at the pictures more.
I'm off to the HS now,i need supplies and another kit for a part i messed up the casted kit part.
Tonight should be some fun hopefully,i'm actually looking forward to laying all that top stuff out and getting glued down.Well,at this stage i am anyway! LOL!!
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RE: GAL 356 - JAWS - 02-06-2010
Damn that spun me out man. I was like wheres the support! Tha looks sick mate.
RE: GAL 356 - dbhs - 02-06-2010
Wow, Phil. That's looking really nice. Especially floating out there over the edge of the table. Brave man !!!
I must say it has a much more streamlined look without the top parts and landing gear on there yet. A little more sleek. Are you using magnets to hold the side cover plates on? I'm interested how you're doing that.
Spectacular !!!!
RE: GAL 356 - LastBattlestar - 02-06-2010
Well, Phil didn't need to go to the HS, he found the part at my place!
I does look sleeker without the gear. Have you guys considered removable landing gear when in flight mode as seen in the show?
Mike
RE: GAL 356 - Wombat - 02-06-2010
Thanks guys!!
Well Mike,the part will work just perfectly the way it is mate.The kit part is pretty much sanded down to the rivet line so that one will be fine without needing anything other than a quick sand to straighten up the edges.Thanks mate!!
As for the removable landing gear,yeah we discussed it a little but decided it was gonna need a bit of working to have as a removable item.We decided,that we'll leave that one alone and although it would be cool it just was gonna add more to what's already a pretty full on build.Least full on enough for me it seems.
Doug,theres no magnets,yet.But thats definitley what i'm gonna be using to hold em in place.I just wanted to see how it looked with the covers in place so theres just soom tape holding them there at present bud.Oh theres no feer hanging it off the side of the table,the armature is a bloody good one,nice and strong.A fine job ya did with it!!
RE: GAL 356 - DarthDuck - 02-06-2010
That's looking totally fucking cool there son!
I would defy anyone to throw anything more into one of these than you're already doing.
You're a fucking maniac!
RE: GAL 356 - Tordoc - 02-07-2010
great stuff. Keep the updates coming!!!
RE: GAL 356 - Wombat - 02-07-2010
Thanks Tordoc,i'll try and do just that!
Hey Don,cheers bud!
you know the landing gear is something that could be worked with some thought and trial.I sorta had an idea but as the shop was shut when i went to get the magnets i never went back.But it's something that i think i'll just be happy with having the landing gear permanently.Thanks to Doug for highlighting something about that landing gear also,it should add to the proper look of the shuttle.
Now,maniac???They say,when ya living in a glass house ya shouldn't be throwing stones mate!!
Let's not get into the real maniac's around here now?
RE: GAL 356 - Tordoc - 02-07-2010
I've been looking thru all the pics posted for the various builds and no-one has posted a shot of the rear. Got any?
RE: GAL 356 - 79 Daytona - 02-07-2010
That looks just OUTSTANDING Phil !!!!!
Say have you laid out the landing gear parts yet , I been going through mind and i don't know if iam over looking it but is there n shape part that that the small round landing pads go on, I talk to Mike and he said that all the landing gear parts should be there.
Tordoc if you go to the parts map over at RI there's a good shot of the rear section.
RE: GAL 356 - Tordoc - 02-07-2010
(02-07-2010, 02:28 AM)79 Daytona Wrote: Tordoc if you go to the parts map over at RI there's a good shot of the rear section.
Thanks, I've seen that. I just like to see everyone else's progress. Otherwise I feel like a moron as I fumble thru it. You guys make it look so easy.
RE: GAL 356 - 79 Daytona - 02-07-2010
I know how you feel Tordoc i just posted some pic's on my build thread and there's one of the rear section.
RE: GAL 356 - JAWS - 02-07-2010
Tordoc if you go to the parts map over at RI there's a good shot of the rear section.
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Mark can you post a Link to that please?
RE: GAL 356 - 9 line - 02-07-2010
Looking Great Phil,
Havent kept up on things since my RI banishment. glad i can get to see it.
Al
RE: GAL 356 - 79 Daytona - 02-07-2010
(02-04-2010, 01:43 AM)dbhs Wrote: The parts maps here http://www.resinilluminati.com/showthread.php?t=8439 are a good reference for a parts list. I used this as checklist. There's a couple of parts that are not on the maps and a couple of known missing parts. Check post #88 in this thread for this.
Here you go here's the post with the links to the parts map over at RI.
(02-07-2010, 10:48 AM)9 line Wrote: Looking Great Phil,
Havent kept up on things since my RI banishment. glad i can get to see it.
Al
Hey Al good to hear from you , I did'nt know you were banish from RI .
RE: GAL 356 - JAWS - 02-07-2010
Thanks Mark, but that links not working...Which Thread is it in? I have permission to post all pictures here so just want to make sure Im not missing anything.
RE: GAL 356 - 9 line - 02-07-2010
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Hey Al good to hear from you , I did'nt know you were banish from RI .
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Yeah they made up some BS because i dont get along with a certain member there, so not knowing the whole story and never even asking me my side they banned me.
RE: GAL 356 - JAWS - 02-07-2010
You know what Al from you said Im making a basic assupmtion that thats not really fair. If anyone was to get banned from here I would run a poll. I never knew you got banned I just didn't see it & I look in the 'Gladiator's ' section every couple of days. Personnally if some ones going to get banned, it has to be a group decision everyone votes on or at least has the opprtunity to vote on. I hope you enjoy it here.
RE: GAL 356 - Wombat - 02-07-2010
Mark,Al thanks there guy's.
Al,it's great having you here mate,i see you with a number of others here as one of the realy awesome builders who can create something from nothing.Your work's are fantastic and it's good to see ya posting em here!
Well for a change i nearly got through some progress without having any problems.Mostly everything today went well,and i was in that fun zone there for a bit.It did feel good!!
Anyway,i did have one small problem and after taking some pictures i see i need to line the little part's up betta on the back edge of the rear domes.The little problem i had was right at the end and it appears to be another width problem of the shuttle being made symmetrical?Not sure,but i'm using all original part's pretty much,it was just 4 pieces today that i used the castings of but the problem spot was using original part's.I can't help myself,i like sacrificing perfectly good kit's!!
Anyway,the two fork halves that sit along side of the Marder part will not both fit on the deck properly,i don't think it's anything to do with the Marder part so i think it's probably and under size thing again.We are only talking a couple of mm here but thats all it needs ta be also to have fitting problems.
Anyway,i got a bit layed out and glued down today.I've been laying it all out to make sure the key part's fit the working my way through it all.It was fun and thats something i haven't said in a while.The two Marder parts are not glued down,i'm thinking of painting them off the model like Mike suggested in his build thread perhaps.
It's actually starting to look a bit like a shuttle now.
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RE: GAL 356 - 79 Daytona - 02-08-2010
Looking GOOD Phil!!!!!
(02-07-2010, 01:53 PM)jasonwright.1972 Wrote: Thanks Mark, but that links not working...Which Thread is it in? I have permission to post all pictures here so just want to make sure Im not missing anything.Well i got the link from this build thread and i just tried it and it worked for me but I'll go to RI and see if i can find the thread.
Hey Al good to hear from you , I did'nt know you were banish from RI .
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Yeah they made up some BS because i dont get along with a certain member there, so not knowing the whole story and never even asking me my side they banned me.
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Well what ever the reason its good to have you here i really enjoy watching your work.
RE: GAL 356 - Tordoc - 02-08-2010
Great pics. Those will help a lot. Keep'em coming.
Ken
RE: GAL 356 - 9 line - 02-08-2010
Looking great, glad to see your builds also. keep it coming, its looking great.
Al
RE: GAL 356 - 427 Cobra - 02-08-2010
I'm sorry to hear that,Al. Somehow I'm not suprised. PM sent.
I'm glad that all our members are gracious enough to post their most recent updates here first. Being the forum that gets all the freshest news before any other is quite inspiring! Thanks guys.
RE: GAL 356 - dbhs - 02-08-2010
Damn, Phil. You're a machine cranking this thing out. These shots with the original parts in the original colors are a great reference too.
Thanks, and keep it up !!!!
RE: GAL 356 - JAWS - 02-08-2010
Yeah lookin great you basdard!
RE: GAL 356 - Wombat - 02-12-2010
Thanks once again guy's,i seem to have missed the last postings from ya's,sorry about that.
Haven't touched this in a few day's but tonight i got a bit more done.Well after thinking i had thing's not too bad like in the last update i soon realized that the rear deck being a little longer because of it being made symmetrical again caused me to have ta do some comprimising,slight modifying and repositioning a few of the part's.
OK,the rear Marder sections weren't glued down but when i was trying to space it out to position some more of the part's it was gonna be quite a bit short of the shuttle rearend compared to the pictures of the original.So comprimise i have done with some of it to try and get it looking about right.I've moved the forward part back a little but this meant the F1 part's needed moving a little also.I then extended the E Boat part's just a little so they would reach a little further back to reach the Motocrosser grip's.I've also left a little gap between the two Marder part's to help with te look at the rear.I think it's still got the look that we all know and i'm happy with it myself.The two rear Marder part's still aren't glued on,this is so i can paint them off the of the shuttle in the darker grey then glue em down after the rest of the shuttle is painted.Thats the plan anyway.
But this could also be the last update on this one for a while,i hopefully will have a new project on the bench tomorrow so this one will be on the backburner for a bit if that does happen.
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RE: GAL 356 - JAWS - 02-13-2010
Nice Phil. I guess i gotta pack some stuff up after the weekend for the new project. Will build a new bech Wednesday when funds arrive. Ive run out of space... Hopefully can get a bit of my shuttle done soon aswell.
RE: GAL 356 - bwayne64 - 02-13-2010
Phil,
Wow ! That thing is looking great,
I really like the look of all the kit parts on her. Looks like the Apogee pics. I've been under the weather the last several weeks. Just catching up on the forum updates, It never disappoints. For everyone asking about the Shuttle parts map, don' t forget it's here on this forum too. I actually posted it here first. Of course it wouldn't be anywhere near complete, if ole Sean C, hadn't filled her out in one fell swoop, LOL.http://www.studioscalemodelers.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=228
Phil, I wonder if you could do me a favor and measure the domes on top center of the shuttle. I'm getting ready to order some Plastruct stuff, And want to pick up the domes. I also want to add the Plastruct numbers to the parts map. I'm getting ready to bite the bullet and build a SS Cylon tanker, and need some Plastruct for it. No big hurry, just when ever you get a second. Keep posting the great pictures man. She's a real beauty, Cheers,
Joe C.
RE: GAL 356 - 79 Daytona - 02-13-2010
Looking GOOD Phil!!!!!
RE: GAL 356 - Wombat - 02-13-2010
Thanks again Guy's,it's starting to look more like the shuttle finally and it's good to finally have a large portion of it done.
Jase,yeah you're gonna need a new bench,something around 6-7 foot should work perfectly for ya.I hope you do get a chance to play a little with your shuttle but i feel i've got quite a workload heading your way soon that might give you very little spare time there for a while?
Joe,good to hear from you and of course i don't mind measuring them domes for ya.Sorry to hear about the health issue but it's good ta have you back man!The Tanker will be great dude,i haven't seen a build up on one so it'll be good to see you do yours.How long till you can get it on the bench there?
OK these domes,they look to be the 2" ones bud i'm getting a bee's dick under but thats proably because they are casting's?I looked at the Plastruct ones after Doug sent me a link incase i busted mine when removing them to reposition em on the deck differently.I gotta get an order into them also for some coated wire down the track,i don't need it for a while but it's cheaper to order a lot from them than buy locally.
RE: GAL 356 - Apophis - 02-14-2010
My only regret right now is that I couldnt get one of these shuttles. And no, im not gonna scratch one either.
RE: GAL 356 - 79 Daytona - 02-14-2010
Hey Phil if you don't mind me asking what's the new project your working on.
RE: GAL 356 - bwayne64 - 02-14-2010
Thanks Phil, It's good to be able to walk without screaming LOL. I miss the forums when I can't get on everyday or so. It shouldn't be too long to get started on the Tanker. I'll have to figure out how to cut the plexi for the main body without a laser cutter. I think i'll have to rout them with a template. Thanks for the info on the domes. I hope I can get the domes for the prison barge at the same time. Not that I'll be doing that one any time soon,
Cheers,Joe
RE: GAL 356 - JAWS - 02-14-2010
(02-14-2010, 01:09 AM)79 Daytona Wrote: Hey Phil if you don't mind me asking what's the new project your working on.
I'd love to answer this but you asked Phil so he can have the honor. What I will say is there will be a new 'Topic' section added for this project that should start some time in the next week.
RE: GAL 356 - Wombat - 02-14-2010
(02-14-2010, 12:02 AM)Apophis Wrote: My only regret right now is that I couldnt get one of these shuttles. And no, im not gonna scratch one either.
Well bud,i'm sure you could scratch one up but the easier thing would be ta get one when Mike gets back to casting again.I'm sure he's looking for any excuse right about now ta get back out there rather than changing them stankin soiled nappies?These things are just cool though Jerry and i've become a huge fan of this one since having the kit.
Start saving brother,you'll be rapt to have one on your bench there my friend!
(02-14-2010, 06:09 AM)bwayne64 Wrote: Thanks Phil, It's good to be able to walk without screaming LOL. I miss the forums when I can't get on everyday or so. It shouldn't be too long to get started on the Tanker. I'll have to figure out how to cut the plexi for the main body without a laser cutter. I think i'll have to rout them with a template. Thanks for the info on the domes. I hope I can get the domes for the prison barge at the same time. Not that I'll be doing that one any time soon,
Joe
It's good that there is less screaming going on there again now,hope ya back to yourself fully there soon mate!
Yeah,i thought about ordering those domes for the PB also,but to be honest that one isn't really one that i want too attempt at present.A Livery though is something pretty high on the want list but that also is something that would be a distant project for me,i'm gonna have me hands full with the new project for quite some time.
I'm not sure how hard it is to draw up those sections that will need cutting for the main body,but any cutters should be able to make files from drawings that you provide?It'll just be a cost factor on top of the cutting but,if it's multiples of the same cut's then i wouldn't think the cost would be overly expensive.
Another option would be to use some thick styrene sheet instead of the plexi?It's an easy material to work with compared to the plexi as you know mate.But watever you decide i'll be looking forward to seeing your build in the not to distant future there!
(02-14-2010, 01:09 AM)79 Daytona Wrote: Hey Phil if you don't mind me asking what's the new project your working on.
I'll give ya a small,or should i say large clue Mark.
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I know,i've bloodywell lost it trying ta do this one!! LOL
RE: GAL 356 - 79 Daytona - 02-14-2010
WOW!!! That's so COOL Phil !!!!!
RE: GAL 356 - dbhs - 02-14-2010
Just for reference, here's the catalog page for the domes.
And here's the link to the whole catalog.
http://www.plastruct.com/picat/Vol_9_Complete_9.pdf
(02-14-2010, 07:44 AM)Wombat Wrote: I'll give ya a small,or should i say large clue Mark.
I know it - that's the front grille on the 1966 Batmobile. I wouldn't have guessed you a Batman fan........Boy, just when you think you know someone.....
......LOL.
RE: GAL 356 - 79 Daytona - 02-14-2010
LOL!!!!
dbhs